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  • « Psalm Two: Today I Have Begotten You | Main | Quoting our Depravity »

    Think this through...

    A good summary of the main three views regarding perseverance:

    1. Classic Arminianism• One must persevere in faith to be saved.
    • True believers can lose their faith....
    • Those dying without faith in Christ are condemned.
    “The believer who loses his faith is damned.”

    2. Antinomianism• One need not persevere in faith to be saved.
    • True believers can lose their faith.
    • Those who lose their faith are saved, since they once believed.
    “The believer who loses his faith is saved.”

    3. Classic Calvinism• One must persevere in faith to be saved.
    • True believers cannot lose their faith, since it’s God’s gift.
    • Those dying without faith in Christ are condemned.
    • Those who “lose” their faith never had it to begin with.
    • God will preserve true believers and they will be saved.

    Here's a quote made today from Dan Fisher - "I've heard it said that the most arrogant person on earth is the person who believes that salvation can be lost, but still believes himself to be saved. If you ask an Arminian "who deserves the blame if he loses his salvation?", he will say that he himself does. If you ask him "who should get the credit if he perseveres to the end?", he is therefore required to answer the same. To say otherwise is logically inconsistent. If God truly deserves ALL the glory for our perseverance, we will never ultimately or finally fall away because God CANNOT fail. To be an Arminian, you either have to believe that God does not have the ability to hold onto us (at least not in every instance), or else that we must contribute in some sense to our own salvation (since we might lose it if we don't). As I see it, a denial of the doctrine of perseverance requires one to reject at least 4 of the 5 Solas--salvation would NOT be by grace alone, through faith alone, through Christ's work alone, to the glory of God alone. This is serious doctrinal error indeed."

    “There is one grace of the Holy Spirit you cannot counterfeit…the grace of perseverance.” - Gardiner Spring

    Posted by John Samson on May 3, 2010 02:56 PM

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    Good post, but a few issues with the logic of some of this argumentation. Quoted:

    If you ask an Arminian "who deserves the blame if he loses his salvation?", he will say that he himself does. If you ask him "who should get the credit if he perseveres to the end?", he is therefore required to answer the same. To say otherwise is logically inconsistent.
    We have to be able to analyze our own perspectives. If we apply that same logic to Calvinism (which is biblically, at least in my opinion, a much firmer argument), it shows itself to be faulty. Following the same faulty logic of Dan Fisher: Who gets the credit for our salvation? God. Okay, then who gets the blame if we do not get salvation? God. According to Fisher, "to say otherwise would be logically inconsistent." Obviously, that's not the right answer, so we have to be careful about applying a standard to our opponent and not to ourselves. We also have to use logic appropriately.
    Grace, Eric

    Eric

    I will have to disagree with you on this one. An Arminian believes Jesus only to be necessary but not sufficient in both his faith and his perseverance. In any synergistic scheme what makes men to differ in their response or perseverance is not Jesus but themselves. Why does one persevere to the end and not the other? If you say Jesus then why don't all men persevere to the end? So obviously they cannot say Jesus without being inconsistent at the most basic level. An inescapable conclusion. Grace is a reward for faith and perseverance in his system. The Arminian is actually being logically inconsistent while the Calvinist is being consistent.

    In Calvinism man's sin is the ONLY cause for God's judgment on him. If God left all persons to themselves and saved no one it would be quite just of Him to do so (even the Arminian would agree with this). If he were sinless there would be no need to judge him. So God is never at fault, but man is always at fault, even in the Arminian system. Any group which believes a regenerate Christian can lose salvation due to some sin does not believe in the sufficiency of Christ alone.

    Good summary, and I do agree with the quote from Fisher. I've come to the conclusion that pure Arminianism is quite arrogant, being man-centered as it is.

    great advice and discussing,I'll get this amazing for me .thanks!

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