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    I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you by Pastor John Samson

    I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

    I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

    But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

    I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

    A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

    I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

    I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

    And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

    God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

    Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

    As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

    So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.

    Posted by John Samson on August 30, 2010 02:05 PM

    Comments

    Amen, my brother! I, too, have been a fan of Beck, but my concerns about his Mormonism and the promotion of it on his broadcasts has me constantly on the alert as to whether or not he is really a Mormon evangelist using politics as a platform.

    I cannot help but wonder how all those who gathered in front of the Lincoln Memorial fell into a sense of awe and wonder that caused them to confuse their love of God with the love of country.

    We are still called to have "No other gods", not even our nation, much less another gospel that teaches that we all can be "gods".

    Pray for our nation, pray for our government and pray for each other. But do not be deceived by false prophets.

    As a Christian I detest the arrogance And NARROW MINDEDNESS THAT MANY US DISPLAY. I LOOK AT YOUR COMMENTS AS ONES FROM A BIGOT.

    Doug,

    I appreciate your open and honest clarity but may I ask, Was Jesus an arrogant bigot for claiming He was the only way to God? (John 14:6) or for saying "unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins" (John 8:24)?

    Was the Apostle Paul an arrogant bigot for calling for God's eternal curse on those who preached any other gospel (Galatians 1) whether they be apostles or even angels?

    I fully realise my comments do not conform in any way shape or form to the spirit of the age, but I believe they are in harmony with the Spirit of God. If I am wrong, show me from the Scriptures. Otherwise, here I stand, I can do no other.

    If I am narrow and bigoted, may I ask you Doug to show me from the Scriptures the humble and more broad minded message God wants us to hear? or is your "Christianity" something you have made up for yourself?

    Would I be right in assuming that you would feel all the saints in heavenly glory would be bigoted also, because their worship is given only to the one true God and the Lamb and all false gods are excluded?

    Please define for me your more broad minded Christianity.

    I too share in my appreciation for glenn beck's work in many areas, in waking up the American people as to what is happening to their country. As a concerned citizen, there is much we can agree on and work towards in correcting what is off course.

    I was saddened to see the response by Doug

    The Gospel and essential doctrine is NEVER up for debate, dilution or dismissal. This is NOT bigotry, it is pure Biblical truth. We cannot, must not, ever give the impression to anyone that they are saved when trusting a false gospel and worshiping a false god. False religion has a demonic source, often appearing as an angel of light. False wisdom, false charity, false love always includes laxity towards a false gospel - it is the wisdom of the world

    As for Doug and his attitude, I would merely respond with 2 Cor 2:13-14

    It was Gregory of Nazianzus (4th C) who wisely said,

    "When I say God, I mean Trinity."

    Glenn Beck is a good guy/patriot. But he is putting himself forward as a Christian (as Mormons are wont to do) and that is just not the case and thanks to the fellow who wrote the piece here. I'm going to attempt to shed a little more light on Mr. Beck by posting a book review on his book, The Overton Window.

    Yesterday I finished The Overton Window by Glenn Beck, the only Beck book I have read. This is what I posted at my Goodreads account about it.

    "I picked this one up in an airport on a whim. I had been hearing people froth about it, and wanted to see if it was as bad as they were saying, which apparently was bad enough to make the back teeth ache. But, as it turns out, it wasn't. Beck wrote a fictional pop-thriller, which means the prose has to be assembled out of two by fours, but as a result it was sturdy. And Beck is clever, and so gets a number of good lines off. But not surprisingly his main problem is theological, which I may write more about over at Blog and Mablog. As much as Beck loves his country, and wants to fight for it, his theological anthropology is the rot in our foundational timbers."

    Our problem is humanism, and we cannot effectively counter radical leftist humanism with apparently milder right wing forms of it. The humanist believes that mankind is basically good and, going back to Socrates, the explanation for evil is ignorance. If man is basically good, where does all this evil come from? It has to come from ignorance, and the solution to ignorance is education. The solution to the political pathologies we see in Washington today is to get involved and "get informed." But the biblical answer is repentance, and repentance all the way down. Our solution is not to get angry at what "they" are doing to us, but rather to be grieved at what we have done to ourselves. One of the basic things we have done in this regard is flatter ourselves -- and Beck's approach here is part of the problem.

    The protagonist is named Noah Gardner, and his father is Arthur. The archvillain in this book is the protagonist's father and, in a nice touch, is going to enslave the world through his PR agency.
    As Noah is starting the process of becoming a real patriot, his father asks him this question. "Do you believe that people, human beings, are basically good? That -- as your loyal friend Molly would no doubt preach to us -- all they must do is awaken and embrace liberty and the highest potentials of mankind will be realized?" (p. 208). The answer, eventually, is "Then yes. I do believe that people are basically good."

    Just as Grendel was a straight line descendant from Cain, so all the wickedness in Washington (which Beck, to his credit, does see) is a straight line descendant from that chirrupy Pelagianism. But this is a monster that cannot be fought unless we acknowledge its paternity. from Pastor Douglas Wilson Blog and Mablog


    Throughout the New Testament Jesus spent countless hours with people who were outside the comfort zone of the "Religious" of the day: The Pharisees. I'm not disagreement with God's word. What I take issue with is the dismissive arrogance that I sense expressed in your column. I have family that attend a Reform congregation and based on my experiences there and your comments , I would classify your flavor of Christianity as being part on God's elite frozen chosen who live in a stockade mentality. " If you're not one of the select, chosen by God to live on the inside when you shut and lock the gate then you are cursed to live in the darkness on the outside.

    One does not have to read very far in the gospels to see just how Jesus feels about the elites of his historic day. Where I live they would Drown because their noses were stuck up so high.

    You may stay inside your safe stockade with your high brow ideas but I choose to walk among the unwashed of the world as Jesus commands me to do ,because only by his grace am I allowed to enter the presence of the Father . I AIN'T putting my light behind a closed door.

    Oh one more comment would I have stood next to Glenn on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial last SAt. You bet I would have . Do I understand the nature of the perversion of the faith hat he believes ? Yes ! I was born 60 miles from ground zero ,SLC.Would I have held Glenn's hand as he asks us to pray Yes and yes again . Would we be praying to the same God ? No. Why ,you see I'm just one of those heathen gentiles that Brother Paul spent his life drawing to Christ. So who is Glenn Beck ? Glenn is just one of the heathens who maybe for your elitist theology just hasn't seen the light.

    Doug,

    In following on from calling me an arrogant bigot you explain your religious syncretism. Again, show me in Scripture where the people of God were ever told something like, "Go meet with the Baal worshippers' and arrange a huge rally, an ecumenical service - talk about honor and integrity and family values.. and you can pray to Me, of course, and they can pray to Baal - in fact, hold the priest of Baal's hand as he prays.. that will be such a nice touch.. and its quite ok with me.. I, the Lord your God, the holy One, really don't mind.. that's because it will show so much love to people and it will open hearts to My religion and everyone will so appreciate you not being closed minded elitist bigots. It will do wonders for people's view both of you and of Me. Go do this in My Name."

    Can you do that Doug? Where is that or anything like that in the Bible?

    Doug, the stakes are high here. One of us needs to repent before God for promoting false religion. This is the second time I have asked for scriptural back up and you have so far provided no meaningful response. If indeed you cannot do so, then I suggest to you that along with your hurtful and hostile rhetoric towards me, you are propagating a self deceived syncretistic religion, unknown and foreign to the Scriptures.

    Oh you your snobbery and use of fine words should convict you of your elitist view of us poor ,again, unwashed little people.

    Doug, Sadly, you did what I expected - hurl a final insult as you run for the hills. You can go ahead and tell the God of Israel he is an elitist snobbish bigot of a God if you like, but I for one am amazed He has sent even one Savior to the world.

    I suppose like Nicodemus you would be puzzled If Jesus told you that the way for you to enter the kingdom would be to be born again.

    Would it not be ironic if you were bigoted against bigots?

    I think we can see by now that this Doug character does not plan to use any logic whatsoever. I wouldn't waste my time any further with him.
    His comments sound more like schtick poorly copied from a monty python sketch.

    Everything you say is true, Pastor. But, here's a thought. I met with a Mormon Stake President weekly for several months just to learn what Mormons believe. I have lived among Mormons for most of my long life. I have come to the conclusion that most Mormons have no idea what is the theology of their professed religion. Even the Stake President stumbled over my questions about 'Adam-God' Theory. Some day the True God will open their eyes.

    freedom of speach,,we fight for it and win...use it as intended.

    Will the rally lead to Americans actually getting down on their knees in the privacy of their homes and praying that God awaken their complacent hearts to renew this nation of freedom's beacon? Time will tell.

    If renewal happens, it will be because Christians awaken to their own complacency of allowing this nation to sink so far in wickedness without standing up and saying 'that's enough: no more killing alive children in or partially out of the womb in order to avoid consequences of immorality; no more using the youngest humans to harvest their body parts for medical cures; no more degenerating society by tolerating gross sexual deviancy which demands normalization; no more federal oligarchy cancelling the rights of the people and the states seeking to protect their residents; no more leftist dead-soul judges on OUR Supreme Court!' Get the picture?

    If Glenn's rally is the impetus for Americna Christians awakening, it served a great purpose. If, on the other hand, it ends up embracing even more dissonance of the sort natural to the 'world council of churches' heresies, well, the plummet into chaos will just accelerate.

    Mr. Samson,

    Did you see this video? I wonder if you could please give me your thoughts? This is the clearest example I've seen of Beck talking about what salvation is. Does he get most of it right, and if not, is there a particular Mormon part of it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm0h0AFM5Vw&feature=related

    Also, are you absolutely certain that Mr. Beck isn't praying to the same God? Just curious if you know more about his heart than I do. I don't watch his show, so I don't know where the Mormon theology part comes in. Can you cite one example?

    I'm with you 100% percent on not believing or participating in Mormon theology. If a Mormon came to my door, I would share the gospel with him or her. I welcome opportunities like that.

    I also am very curious what you think about the Presbyterian Rebellion of 1776. Really! I'm a Reformed Presbyterian, too, and I often wonder if I would have taken up arms in a rebellion or a reaction in those times.

    "A Revolutionary Chaplain
    James Caldwell (1734-1781), a Presbyterian minister at Elizabeth, New Jersey, was one of the many clergymen who served as chaplains during the Revolutionary War. At the battle of Springfield, New Jersey, on June 23, 1780, when his company ran out of wadding, Caldwell was said to have dashed into a nearby Presbyterian Church, scooped up as many Watts hymnals as he could carry, and distributed them to the troops, shouting "put Watts into them, boys." Caldwell and his wife were both killed before the war ended".

    Thanks,
    Jane

    I'm sorry Rahab, but we can't join your plan to hide our spies.. you are a Baal worshiping prostitute and there is no way that God would ever use a Baal worshiper in his plans...- Pastor John Samson's great, great, great, great....great, great, great, great, great grandfather

    Not at all mntx, God's elect people are found in every tribe tongue people group and nation and it does not surprise me in any way at all that He moved on the heart of Rahab and drew her to Himself.

    I certainly do not know Glenn Beck's heart - that is God's business, not mine, but until he renounces Mormonism, it is clear that he believes and prays to the god of Mormonism and this is not the God of the Bible.

    I can work with anybody but I cannot be part of an inter-faith service where each religious leader prays to their god - I just cannot in all conscience say an "Amen" at the end of a prayer to a false god asking for America to turn to it. I do not wish for even one person to be drawn to a false god.

    For a quick overview of the differences between the monotheism of biblical Christianity and the polytheism of Mormonism, Justin Taylor has written this short article here: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2010/08/30/an-faq-on-the-difference-between-mormonism-and-biblical-christianity/


    Why is it that you folks are unwilling to identify yourselves? I never heard of someone named anonymous. Who is Arizona Mike? Funny first and last name . So Arizona It sounds like to that you just used the Mormon man to just educate yourself. WWJD, I think a lot more than you did. mntx , what's in a name? What's your point?
    The only honest comment from MH Galloway is he said exactly what Glenn Beck stated that It's not happeneing on SAT..but will it happen to the people of faith during the future? Will we be on our knees and ask God the Father to forgive us our transgressions and pray for him to change our hearts and heal our troubled land ?

    If God spoke to Moses through a burning bush It a simple task for him to speak through the mouth of a Mormon.

    Last I did not run for the hills! In college I played in the offensive line . That is where football is down and dirty . I don't run!

    I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon. I believe Jesus is the Savior of the world and atoned for mankind's sins. I believe when he was baptized, those in attendance heard the voice of his Father in Heaven who said he was "well pleased." And I believe man could not go to Heaven without the ultimate sacrifice, suffering and atonement of Jesus Christ. The end.

    Doug,

    If the true God was speaking through the mouth of a Mormon, he would not be calling for people to pray to any "god" except Himself.

    Ok, you are not running - so how about showing us from the Bible this inter-faith religion of yours.

    Michael Hohl,

    It is a pleasure to welcome you to this site. Perhaps you would check this article out and see how your Church defines true religion, compared with that of the Bible - you will see there are big differences. Even when we use the same terminology, we are talking about different concepts altogether. http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2010/08/30/an-faq-on-the-difference-between-mormonism-and-biblical-christianity/

    A Mormon gets up and tells people to pray on their knees, to go to their own church, and to pay tithing to their own church--and you guys object to that?

    My research for the Society for the Prevention of Anti-Mormonism revealed many instances where evangelical Christians were working with atheists, gay marriage activists, and left-wing communist sympathizers to coordinate their efforts to attack Mormonism. Attacking Glenn Beck puts you on the same side as the bad guys. As Paul said, "what communion hath light with darkness?"

    It doesn't speak well of you or your churches. Just as the light of truth exposes the fraudulent designs of the Left, it will also expose the lies the Christian Right has repeated about Mormons for the past two centuries. People will see through you.

    God often brings his message through unlikely messengers. The Israelites didn't believe Moses was their deliverer at first. David was an unlikely choice to slay Goliath. Even the Pharisees rejected John the Baptist and Jesus because they didn't come up through the rabbinical schools.

    Will you also miss the message from God, simply because the messenger comes in a different manner than you expect?

    spamlds,

    You write "A Mormon gets up and tells people to pray on their knees, to go to their own church, and to pay tithing to their own church--and you guys object to that?"

    Yes - because I believe God objects to that if the "god" is not the true God. He has a name for that - "idolatry." I would never tell a Baal worshipper to go to his "church" and pray on his knees to his god and pay tithes to him because to do this would be blasphemy against the one true God. How is idolatry and false religion good for any man's soul let alone the collective soul of America?

    Thanks John for your concern! However, as a Sunday School teacher in my congregation who is studying the Old Testament this year. I am very very familiar with the bible - both testaments and have a testimony of their truthfulness and ministry of the Savior. I teach lessons weekly about the Prophets of the Old testament and their testimonies and witness of Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. I likewise, have a testimony of Jehovah as the one prophesied to come by the great Prophet Isaiah. Thanks again for your caring as a fellow Christian.

    We watched the entire "Restoring Honor" event and "Pastor" Paul Jehles OPENING PRAYER in behalf of the nation and everyone assembled to the Lord "gods" (plural) was appalling!


    This "pastor" made a specific point of calling on the "gods" for various reasons at least SEVEN times in his "prayer".


    Having taught Homiletics, I carefully reviewed his "prayer", my conclusion: I know for a fact that he was not making a mistake or that he had a lisp or speech impediment when he referred to the "gods" because in the very beginning of the "prayer" he prayed to God (no plural) and then shortly thereafter and I believe for the remainder of the "prayer", he prayed to "gods". This is either because "Pastor" Jails is a Mormon (which is not the case)or he was being PC and trying to appease all of the other "faiths" and the various false "gods" they serve. In either case what he said and what he "prayed" in behalf of those gathered and America was nothing short of evil and Satanic!


    To my knowledge, never before in the history of America has a supposed man of the cloth prayed to the "gods" in a massive national public forum representing America and praying for the gods blessings upon the nation. This is deeply disturbing and raises very real issues regarding the "spiritual " nature of the event, Glenn Beck's relationship to "Jesus", even more so since Mr. Beck was responsible for the event and nothing took place, no one did anything without his direct involvement.


    Pastor Paul Jehle gives the OPENING prayer for the Restoring Honor rally. He does not appear to have any speech impediment. In his "prayer" you can hear him apparently praying to the "gods" at least SEVEN different times:


    He is introduced/invited to give the opening prayer at approximately 5minute: 14second mark.


    Whenever Pastor Jehles uses plurals: "peoples," "nations," "rights," "accounts," "treaties," "words" etc, he draws out the Ssss at the end of the word. When he uses singular words he does not put an "s" on the end or draw our an Ssss on the end of the word.


    Begins using the singular form "God"


    Starts with "Lord God"(singular) 5:47


    In the name of God (singular) amen 6:42


    blessed the God (singular) of heaven 6:52


    Switches to the plural "gods"


    "Lord gods" used 4x's: 7:02, 7:09, 7:37, 7:43;


    "Oh gods" used 1x :7:56


    "You will do it because your gods" used 1x: 8:58


    "Restoring gods" used 1x: 9:21


    "One nation under gods" used 1x: 9:39 (In this ONE case it is not clear if he is saying "God" or "gods", in every other instance it is clearly evident that he is using the plural and it is very disturbing to say the least


    My son, along with 200 others from Oklahoma City attended the rally and my son, along with EVERYONE around him was taken aback when they heard Jails praying to the "gods" and they were also very disturbed by what he said as he said it!


    The recroded evidence seems to clearly indicate that after saying "God" three times he went on to pray to the "gods" throughout the remainder of his prayer.


    It should also be noted that throughout the entire prayer, Pastor Jehle did not have a problem mistakingly turning the singular of ANY OTHER WORD into a plural. The ONLY exception was the word God. After saying "God," properly THREE TIMES without any lisp, verbal click, tick, "th," Ssss, or problem, he went on throughout the remainder of his "prayer" to call upon the "gods" (plural) at least SEVEN or EIGHT times!



    During the event and on his TV and radio shows, Glenn repeatedly talks about the individual and America's need to return to "god". In light of Glenn's Mormonism and his specific choice of "Pastor" Paul Jails to give the OPENING PRAYER to the "gods", which set the tone for the entire event, the preeminent question we must all ask ourselves and Glenn Beck is this = WHICH "god"? Which "gods" are you calling us to cry out to? Which "god" are you calling America and Americans to follow and obey?


    As much as I love and respect Glenn Beck, the "jesus" of Mormonism, the "jesus" and "gods" Glenn and Mormonism worships and serves are NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, or the God of the Bible. There is only ONE TRUE and LIVING God, He is a jealous God and He will NOT give His glory to another "god" because ALL OTHER "gods", including "jesus" and ALL of the "gods" of Mormonism, are FALSE "gods":


    ‘See now that I, I AM HE, And there is NO god BESIDES ME; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from MY HAND.' (Deuteronomy 32:39 Emphasis mine)


    You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was NO God formed, And there will be NONE after Me.


    “I, even I, AM the LORD, And THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME.


    “It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And I AM GOD.


    “Even FROM ETERNITY I AM HE, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?” (Isaiah 43:10-13 Emphasis mine)


    “I AM the LORD, that is MY NAME;


    I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER,


    Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8, Emphasis mine)



    We are living in the Last days, spiritual deception and false "Christs" abound. Given the times in which we are living, it is imperative that all of us who know the true and living God use spiritual discernment in order to avoid following after false Christs, and false "gods", including the false "jesus" and false "gods" of Mormonism because all of the supposed "good works" in the world cannot save us:


    "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME, and IN YOUR NAME CAST OUT DEMONS, and IN YOUR NAME PERFORM MANY MIRACLES?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’" (Matthew 27:10-13, Emphasis mine)


    God's Word is clear; as Christians and the Church of Jesus Christ we have a responsibility to maintain spiritual purity for the cause of Christ and in order to maintain purity regarding the genuine Gospel of Jesus Christ:
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    DO NOT BE BOUND TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERS; for what PARTNERSHIP have RIGHTEOUSNESS and LAWLESSNESS, or what FELLOWSHIP has LIGHT with DARKNESS?


    Or what HARMONY has Christ with BELIAL, or what has a BELIEVER in common with an UNBELIEVER?


    Or what agreement has the THE TEMPLE OF GOD WITH IDOLS? For WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; just as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them;


    And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


    “Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18, Emphasis mine)



    We need to be careful because God may be testing America as to whether or not we will serve Him and Him alone of follow after false "gods":



    “If a PROPHET or a dreamer of dreams ARISES AMONG YOU and gives you a SIGN or a WONDER,


    and the sign or the wonder COMES TRUE, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘LET US GO AFTER O T H E R gods (WHOM YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN) and LET US SERVE THEM,’


    YOU SHALL NOT LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF THAT PROPHET or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God IS TESTING YOU TO FIND OUT IF YOU LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL.


    “You shall follow THE LORD YOUR God and FEAR HIM; and YOU SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, LISTEN to HIS VOICE, SERVE HIM, and CLING TO HIM.


    “But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has HE HAS COUNSELED REBELLION AGAINST THE LORD YOUR GOD who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, TO SEDUCE YOU FROM THE WAY IN WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD COMMANDED YO TO WALK. So you shall purge the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Emphasis mine)



    As Christians our responsibility is to "seek first the kingdom of God", not the country of America. If that means removing ourselves from future events and rally's promoted by Mr. Beck or others that seek to "restore America" or "restore honor" while promoting "spiritual unity" at the cost of doctrinal purity between those who know the Lord Jesus Christ and individuals, denominations and cults, like Mormonism which do not, then so be it.


    For more on this pressing issue please see the following article by Brannon S. Howse regarding:


    Following Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny or God's Word By Brannon S. Howse


    http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6439

    John,

    Wow. Best of luck to you and I mean that sincerely.

    Genesis 1:26

    "Just as Grendel was a straight line descendant from Cain..."

    Hey, watch it!
    grendal aka "( |o )====:::"

    Beck has surrounded himself over the past few years, with a lot of truly born again believers.
    It's highly possible that he is well on his way to true faith in Christ and we should be praying for him.
    Having attended school in Utah and spent a lot of time with the Mormon people, I know there are some in the church who are there because their family is there.
    This could easily be the case with him. There's a huge difference between people like my roommates, who would hang pictures of the "prophets" on the wall, and someone like a friend of mine who actually participated in Christian activities and had accepted Christ as her Savior. She ended up choosing true Christianity.

    I would say, pray for him. He has a huge platform, and God is not beyond using him and instilling the Truth in him. And who knows but that the true believers he has been speaking with, have not already shared with him the truth?

    Seems Doug has an issue with Calvinism in general. That is another debate in entirety, which would be rather interesting to see.

    As for myself, I would see myself as someone who agrees with the author of this posts. Would I consider myself a Presbyterian who has been taught the Westminster catacism and says "hell no to the reprobate?" No....While my theology leans towards the direct of Calvin, I am very eager to share the gospel and work with those who spread that word.

    Does that mean I would work with everyone to spread God's message? No. For a certain demoniations, maybe doing baptism would be awkward. For others like Catholicism, evangelizing would be an issue, since we have very different idea on the what that details. As for Glenn Beck, from what the Mormon church as professed to be in their doctrine, I could not say I would pray "with" him to bring about a revival. Would I wish for Glenn to be saved? Of course! But to be yoked with an unbeliever is not a good thing (I believe Paul, or Jesus said that).

    As to the matter can God use Glenn for his purposes? Well of course. Just look at Pharaoh and see how God used him to free his people and reveal His glory. Does that mean I would go pray with Pharaoh cause God is using him? No. The Lord has a plan for all of creation, so of course he will use unbelievers. But this does not mean we should be sharing a religious mission with each other.

    I will ally myself with Glenn on a political front on some issues, but in matters of religion and revival, Glenn is in the "unbeliever camp" the same as someone who believes in Paganism.

    - In Christ,
    Daniel

    Thanks mate.

    Good post, John. In my resent post on the issue of Beck and the gospel a fellow Christian came to understand why a Christian should have trouble supporting Beck and his non-political religious positions.

    What is interesting is that Joseph Smith denies those Christians in his day. The same confessions of faith that existed then are still used today and our doctrines are the same. So how can a Mormon even try to claim we hold to the same theological positions?

    When a nation has bad judges and bad rulers and bad government officials, the root cause is not from the peoples complacency. The root cause is that the nation is already under God's wrath and judgement.
    The sin of the peoples of this nation is what brought that on. There can be no 'revival' of this nation without repentence. I simply am not seeing it. In fact, I am seeing the exact opposite.

    So don't blame the christians for this nation's problems. The only thing that the christians are to be doing is to get out there and call upon the people to repent of their sin before God, so that they may escape His wrath.

    Amen --- very thougtful and loving representation of how many of us feel.

    While I am not a Mormon I have no doubt that many of them are Christians. Their Church name is Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Jesus is their God according to my Mormon friends. True, besides the Bible they worship from the book of Mormon. Many of my Mormon neighbors are busy helping others in the wake of every disaster. I would rather have them for a neighbor that people like Obama and his followers. KB

    "True, besides the Bible they worship from the book of Mormon. Many of my Mormon neighbors are busy helping others in the wake of every disaster. I would rather have them for a neighbor that people like Obama and his followers. KB"

    That is the problem mate. Like you, I have no doubt that many Mormons are sincere in their beliefs. However, sincerity is necessary but not sufficient for salvation; humanity is called to be sincere, but in the right beliefs. I have met plenty of atheist who are sincere in helping society, yet they are not going to heaven unless they ONLY believe in Christ Jesus through the only revelation of God: The Bible.

    So many have commented that they like Glenn Beck, but are put off by his Mormonism. Each of you should question why you "like" him. He worships an anti-Christ, yet you find him intriguing. The Bible is clear on these matters, you cannot worship two masters. You are like a fish drawn to a lure - you know it is not food, but it looks so good.

    Well, I listened to Mr Jehle's opening prayer where he called on the "gods". Let me just say that it was enough to cause GB's biggest cheerleader to cancel my Blaze subscription.

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