"...if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10). (Council of Orange: Canon 6)


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    Free Will or Free Grace?

    If the natural man has a free will to believe the gospel, then why does he need grace? If his will is naturally free then it would do away with the need for grace altogether.To teach that the natural man has a free will overthrows the gospel ... it is precisely because man is in bondage that he needs Christ to set him free." (John 8:34, 36)

    "All the passages in the Holy Scriptures that mention assistance are they that do away with "free-will", and these are countless ... For grace is needed, and the help of grace is given, because "free-will" can do nothing."
    - Martin Luther, Bondage of the Will, pg. 270

    My online friend Larry Cochran once said, "I don't believe in the free will idea. I believe that God's sovereignty is always at work and that we are free to choose as we are freed from the bondage of sin, but until then we are not free, only under the delusion that we are free. Sin is slavery and Christ is freedom."

    Posted by John on October 28, 2011 06:39 PM



    You appear to be so held captive under the yoke of your own tradition(s) that your ability to have a objective discussion with others has been lost. You do not engage any of our arguments nor interact with the Scripture regarding them but attack your pre-defined non-existent ideas of what we believe.

    Your ideas have zero scriptural basis, but are rooted in human philosophy. Its time to move on. You are wasting everyone's previous time with your pelagian views, which are outside the bounds of the bible and historic orthodox Christianity, and appear to have no serious desire to engage the biblical text. Therefore, All further posts by you will be deleted.