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    Libertarian Freedom and God

    As you know, those who believe in "libertarian free will" declare the ability to choose otherwise...

    Given that God is absolutely holy and without sin by His very nature, it would actually be heretical to declare that God has libertarian free will ... for it would mean that He would have the "freedom" to do otherwise ... i.e. to be unholy, if He so chose to be.

    However, the Bible defines freedom relative to sin (See John 8)... so God being absolutely holy makes Him the most free. This is great evidence that libertarian free will is a philosophical construct and not based on biblical presuppositions of freedom.

    Posted by John on March 3, 2012 02:19 PM

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    Since this seems to hav emoved.

    If all of God's options are good options, then God can choose betwene options. he can do otherwise and still be impeccable.

    In order for your argument to go through then you must think God always has one and only one good option. Why do you think this? If you don't why can't God choose between good options?

    Perry:

    Because God always chooses the best option, according to His perfect wisdom and character. There is always a reason for a choice. Choices are not causeless. For libertarianism to be true, choices have to be causeless, motiveless and loveless. As soon as you ascribe a reason to it you deny libertarianism.

    To be true to libertarianism you cannot say God made any choice BECAUSE it was the best choice. This would be to ascribe cause to the choice, and thus be determined by something like a motive. The very fact that he is "limited" to good acts means, by definition, that his choices have a reason. If his choices have no reason at all, then you must declare that God is indifferent to his choices and has no purpose in anything He does. This is the height of absurdity and seriously makes your view land outside the boundaries of any historical understanding of Christianity,

    Likewise people have reasons for choices. if I were to ask you why one person believed the gospel and not the other person, if you are to be consistent with libertarianism, you would have to affirm that the choice was without cause. A person just happened to choose to believe. Choice must be by chance in order for libertarianism to be consistent. And I can think of few things that are more absurd.

    Otherwise, if this is not true, then why does one person believe the gospel and not another? This I will have to leave to you to answer for yourself if you have interest in truth.

    I told you that I have other things to do. Further, I don't have time for questions that have already been settled.

    Solus Christus