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    "there is no objective truth or morality that we should all believe or live by"

    Comment: "there is no objective truth or morality that we should all believe or live by."

    Response: ...Your declaration that "there is no objective truth or morality that we should all believe or live by" is an absolute statement about the way we should all believe or live.

    In other words, you are appealing to an absolute truth in order to prove that relativism is true -- which would indicate that your core presupposition about the nature of reality is self-contradictory. If something is contradictory then it means there is something flawed or missing about the argument itself and, if you are honest, should take you back to the drawing board. Even the statement "if does not matter what people believe" would be a declaration that you know with objective certainty that what people believe does not matter. You could not possibly know the truth of this statement without objective knowledge that this is true. No relativist lives consistently within the framework of his own presuppositions. In other words, objectivity is inescapably part of this world we live in and makes the most sense of it, and relativism is demonstrated to be incoherent.

    Note: When relativists inconsistently appeal to such things as universal human rights, as they often do, (i.e. objective morality that all peoples OUGHT to abide by) they bare witness to the reality of the image of God in them even though they may otherwise suppress this idea and/or appear to remain uncommitted about it.

    Posted by John on July 6, 2013 08:55 PM

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