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    Bill Clinton the "Calvinist"

    Embedded video from CNN Video

    Posted by John on February 18, 2009 12:50 PM


    "I'm too much of a Calvinist; if I don't work every day I get nervous..."

    Did I miss something? I'm from Australia, so is this an American joke?

    I think he meant Arminian

    It is not a joke. Its a statement I never thought I'd hear coming from him - but I think he misspoke.

    He is referring to Calvinism as the source of the protestant work ethic - i.e. the sociologist Max Weber who said that the Puritans worked hard to prove they were elect.

    Nothing gets past Clinton! I think he meant to say "Puritan."

    Yeah, he's a Calvinist...except for that whole moral law of God thing.

    I think he meant Communist. LOL!!!

    @Jeff: Thanks for that. It makes more sense now. :-)

    Who knows, maybe Clinton will be off to reformed seminary next...

    You keep using that word ... I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Clearly he means only the idea of a Calvinist as a hard worker, as noted by the sociologist Max Weber in what is now referred to as "The Weber Thesis" or "The Protestant Work Ethic". AND, presumably he learned THAT from some courses he took in college, not from any parents or church who were Calvinists in the sense which we use the term.

    Forrest Schultz

    Ya, you guys didnt hear? Pres. Clinton is now a prof at Westminster! lol

    ...or maybe it's just something he read in a "Calvin and Hobbes" strip.

    Maybe he meant to say chauvinist

    That is the best argument against Calvinism I have ever heard! I think I'm gonna have to reconsider my position.;)

    Bill Clinton is a Calvinist like Robert Schuller is.
    Apparently Calvinism is becoming popular.
    But check this out.
    And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
    saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
    But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!
    Acts 8:18-20
    Calvinism is not the gift of the Holy Spirit,Calvinism is about Piety though and Piety is not conjured up. Piety cannot be purchased, thought up, claimed etc. Piety comes through the Word. The Word regenerates then comes piety, humility, Godliness etc. this is Calvinism. Saying I am a Calvinist doesn't count for much. Calvinism is a life.
    Ken Clouse

    As a budding Calvinist and one who can speak as one who has had lunch with the man when he was our President:::>

    Psa 130:1 A Song of Ascents. Out of the depths I cry to you, O LORD!
    Psa 130:2 O Lord, hear my voice! Let your ears be attentive to the voice of my pleas for mercy!
    Psa 130:3 If you, O LORD, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand?
    Psa 130:4 But with you there is forgiveness, that you may be feared.
    Psa 130:5 I wait for the LORD, my soul waits, and in his word I hope;
    Psa 130:6 my soul waits for the Lord more than watchmen for the morning, more than watchmen for the morning.

    Now knowing some of what his "weakness" in the flesh is, his iniquites, I found his quick wit to be telling to me.

    I for one did pray in earnest for him when he was my President.

    As I said, I did have lunch with him after the whole blue dress affair.

    He is a man, now whether or not he is supra or infra, well, we know, there is no repentance with God!

    I humbly bow my knee in thanks to My Commander in Chief as I come to gribs with this new U.S. President.

    May our Good Lord let these words from the Canons of Dort find a soft place in our hearts:

    "....quoting from Dr. J.V. Fesko, Finally, this Synod exhorts all their brethren in the gospel of Christ to conduct themselves piously and religiously in handling this doctrine, both in the universities and churches; to direct it, as well in discourse as in writing, to the glory of the Divine Name, to holiness of life, and to the consolation of afflicted souls;....".

    Ok, any more consolation for the man, seeing he is still rightfully married to his wife, a tribute to her, nevertheless, it must be difficult for one in need of consolation because of the afflictions so publicly known by us all?

    I do have a pile of stones available if you would like to take one more? :)

    Maybe he heard that Calvinists believe in the Covenant of Works?

    ... If I don't work every day I get nervous ....

    I always knew Bill was Reformed. I'm glad he finally came out with his beliefs.

    ok.. over my head.

    I have always wondered why the Southern Baptists didn't kick him out. Now his statement, that I just heard about, GREATLY OFFENDS ME, as well as our Lord. When will "christians" realize that it means something to be a Christian.

    Does this not say something drastic and disturbing about the women of this nation that "they" (those CNN surveyed and answered them) think that a man can and should stay at home and be a "house husband?"

    May the INIV, the TNIV and any other so called bible that seeks to distort biblical truth be anathema! One version even goes so far as to say "our parent who is in heaven."

    Bill Clinton a Calvinist...HA!

    I am a person who believes that Jesus was sacrificed by The Lord God Almighty for our sins. Nothing more, nothing less. THAT alone is what Jesus tells us all to tell the rest of the world. THAT is His gospel. THAT alone is His good news for ALL ("many are called") of us who are of his flock ("but, few are chosen").

    Matthew 22:12-14 New International Version (NIV)

    12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend(A)?’ The man was speechless.

    13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’(B)

    14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”

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