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  • « Sola Gratia is so un-American... | Main | Book Review: The Fear of God, by Arnold L. Frank »

    A Guidance for Humanity: The New Testament or the Qur'an?

    Lasting approx. 1 hour 42 minutes, here is Dr. James White in dialog with an Islamic apologist, Abdullah Kunde at Sydney University, Sydney, Australia, August 17, 2009.


    Posted by John Samson on August 18, 2009 04:12 PM

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    What this debate underscores and elucidates for me is two things.

    One, Dr. White has the power of the Holy Ghost working through him in bringing clear and convincing proofs of the existence of Our Creator, His Mind and he demonstrates that Christ is working and is not limited by time or space or by the active spirits of the world or the god of this age putting over the faith of Islam through men.

    Two, the trajectory of the spirit behind the Islamic Apologist is clearly on a collision course with the "mystery" of God's Will, that is, "the plan" for the fullness of time the Holy Ghost has already established by the Apostle Paul:::>


    Eph 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
    Eph 1:8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight
    Eph 1:9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ
    Eph 1:10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

    I would add a quotation citing Dr. J.V. Fesko, from his book, [Justification, Understanding the Classic Reformed Doctrine], on the subject of the nature of eschatology; page 98, in the middle of the page: "....We also see that the last days contain both favorable and unfavorable events, blessing and curses, joy and tribulation. These contrasting states hint at the already-not yet aspect of the eschatological age,....".

    With that, I have one final quotation citing the Apostle Peter in light of just how clear and convincing each side came across in the debate:::>

    2Pe 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
    2Pe 1:17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,"
    2Pe 1:18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain.
    2Pe 1:19 And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts,
    2Pe 1:20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.
    2Pe 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

    How clear the differences are to me listening to these men, Dr. White and Abdullah Kunde represent the prophecy of their Prophets, Jesus Christ and Mohamed!

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