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    The worst thing???

    What is the worst false teaching confronting and infiltrating the body of Christ in our day?

    Television preacher Andrew Wommack believes it is..

    wait for it...

    ...the doctrine that God is in control of all things (or meticulous providence).

    Yes, you read that right, as this video shows:

    On the other hand, C. H. Spurgeon once preached:

    "There is no attribute of God more comforting to his children than the doctrine of Divine Sovereignty. Under the most adverse circumstances, in the most severe troubles, they believe that Sovereignty hath ordained their afflictions, that Sovereignty overrules them, and that Sovereignty will sanctify them all. There is nothing for which the children of God ought more earnestly to contend than the dominion of their Master over all creation—the kingship of God over all the works of His own hands—the throne of God, and His right to sit upon that throne. On the other hand, there is no doctrine more hated by worldlings, no truth of which they have made such a foot-ball, as the great, stupendous, but yet most certain doctrine of the Sovereignty of the infinite Jehovah. Men will allow God to be everywhere except on his throne. They will allow Him to be in his workshop to fashion worlds and to make stars. They will allow Him to be in his almonry to dispense His alms and bestow His bounties. They will allow Him to sustain the earth and bear up the pillars thereof, or light the lamps of heaven, or rule the waves of the ever-moving ocean; but when God ascends His throne, His creatures then gnash their teeth; and when we proclaim an enthroned God, and His right to do as He wills with His own, to dispose of His creatures as He thinks well, without consulting them in the matter, then it is that we are hissed and execrated, and then it is that men turn a deaf ear to us, for God on His throne is not the God they love. They love Him anywhere better than they do when He sits with His sceptre in His hand and His crown upon His head. But it is God upon the throne that we love to preach. It is God upon His throne whom we trust."

    Any thoughts or comments?

    Posted by John Samson on November 3, 2011 12:55 PM


    Honestly, I don't know that I can bring myself to watch the video.

    I would submit that the worst false teaching confronting and infiltrating the body of Christ in our day is that God is NOT in control of all things (or meticulous providence).

    What comfort is there is believing that God does not control the meticulous details of all things that come to pass. If he does not, and something else does, even against his will, then all comfort is gone.

    See my recent article responding to Wommack and Olsons' theology here

    Like Jules above - the great evil is in teaching and promoting the truth that Man is ultimately and practically sovereign over God. Thus robbing God of his glory and his children of their comfort. They wish to Un-God God.

    How scary. Anyone who thinks through and comes to accept what this man is saying (including this man himself) ought to truly abandon all hope. If God is not in control, then why should I not be a god unto myself, for I am only trading one inadequate god for another? The longer this man talked I couldn't help but see God become smaller and smaller in the eyes of this audience. To suggest such rubbish as Satan having the ability to stand against God without God's allowance is blasphemy.

    God is "the top of the food chain," according to this false teacher. Such irreverence.

    My Bible says God is holy, worthy of all praise. That carnal minds conceive of false, inadequate gods does not diminish the majesty of the true and living God.

    Glory to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    I tried to stay focused and watch the whole thing. My bad, I could not!

    In your article, linked, John H.: In other words, the charge rests purely upon rationalism and extra-biblical logic.

    We do use rationalism; albeit, not to go onto extra-biblical logic, but by the Spirit of Grace and rationalism as our foundational basis, we move onto maturity in Christ!

    I marvel at the Greek word logikos found twice in Scripture at Romans 12:1 and 1 Peter 2:2.

    What seems evident to me is Olson starts with rational thought, but, absent any regenerating activity of the Spirit of Grace and Truth in his rational thought, he is not able to move onto maturity.

    Now, does this disqualify him from receiving the Salvation Christ purchased with His Blood?

    No, I don't think so. Also, perhaps?

    God decides the depth of the maturity one enters into after they come to believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. I suppose Olson could or could not go on to maturity, supported by this verse, Hebrews 6:3?

    I just am not at that place in maturity to judge whether or not Roger Olson has received Salvation.

    What I am certain of is his theology and philosophy stands in error of Biblical Truth about evil.

    One thing I would note about just what sort of Monster God is is to note the description of the king of terrors, Satan, and him being the "firstborn" of death, unlike Jesus, Who, we happily accept is the firstborn from "death"! Given the two comparisons, God's "terrorism" and Satan's, God's is far more devastating to the recipient than the known king of terrors of Job 18.

    Job 18:13 It consumes the parts of his skin; the firstborn of death consumes his limbs.
    Job 18:14 He is torn from the tent in which he trusted and is brought to the king of terrors.


    Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him.
    Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
    Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.

    I wonder why the demons tremble all the while the Righteous are as bold as a lion? :)

    According to Wommack, I am an idolater and a false teacher for teaching and believing in the sovereignty of God. A very bold claim to make, and one that makes him exactly that himself, if he is wrong.

    The problem is many will believe him because of his eloquence, his use of proof-texts, and his appeal to the emotional.

    Wow this dude loves the kjv. Just wondering if he is speaking of my esv. But seriously prosperity gospel is retarded like a big fluffy God wants you to be happy all the time and doesn't will anything bad. All the bad comes from some other more powerful god that the Sovereign Lord cannot handle. How are we suppose to rejoice when we suffer if Gods not controlling it? What about salavation, if God's not sovereign than who is over my salavation? Me? I surely hope not. To deny the doctrine of God's sovereignty is to deny the God of scripture.

    Now I must shove my pen into my ears. Um...Wasn't the message to Job, God is sovereign over all things, including suffering. Not ot mention thsoe darn Psalms, which say stuff like God turns the hearts of kings.

    One of the most dangerous things the church is facing today are false teachers. Men that speak truth partially and incorporate error. I'm not saying that Andrew is a bad person, but his teaching are theologically off when it comes to several issues too long to discuss. The reason these teachers gain traction is clearly stated in the Bible by Paul. 2 Timothy 2:3-4 -
    "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers..."
    If we are truthful, we will admit that human nature loves his type of messages. You don't have to work-out your salvation through God's grace and Holy Spirit. Once you are saved your "locked-in" nothing you do will make you loose your salvation (Even if you do go back to your old lifestyle and commit adultery or live in homosexuality) This is a VERY dangerous position to teach.
    In the day and age that we live people that come to the Lord are not encouraged to continually repent with God and seek to change according to His Word and pursue holiness--this is tagged as "legalism". Well, Paul the Apostle of grace and Peter have written many warnings to believers about this issue.

    I think you meant to say 2 Timothy 4:3-4. Consider the original argument of this article for a moment. Who is basing their belief on Scripture? Mr. Wommack or Mr. Spurgeon? I don't see Spurgeon quoting much Scripture.

    I was raised with your Reformed / Calvinist views and it kept me living in sin for years. I tried for years to get saved. Tried to stop sinning but I had a "sinful nature" that not only kept me enslaved to it but provided the most convenient excuse for my continuing in sin. I asked Jesus into my heart several times. I was even baptized.

    When I finally heard the Gospel and got saved, this all went out the window. Mr. Wommack is right on here and y'all better examine the Scripture closely to be sure you're on track too. I'd recommend Romans - start with 1:18 and go through chapter 8. Try the KJV this time. Examine every time each word is used in English/KJV Scripture and take each word at its simple, literal, contextual meaning. There is good news in there and its not what you think. will be a helpful study aid.

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